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Budget Committee Meeting

Wednesday, May 14, 2008





Budget Committee Meeting


May 14, 2008 6pm

Civic Center, Council Chambers, 1175 East Main Street




The Citizen’s Budget Committee meeting was called to order at 6:05 pm on May 14, 2008 in Council Chambers at 1175 East Main Street, Ashland Oregon.




Committee members Chapman, Douma, Gregory, Hardesty, Hartzell, Heimann, Jackson, Morrison, Navickas, Silbiger, Slattery, Stebbins, and Thompson were present.  Everson was absent.




                                    BRYN MORRISON, ACCOUNT REPRESENTATIVE

                                    DIANA SHIPLET, EXECUTIVE SECRETARY

                                    JOE FRANELL, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY DIRECTOR

                                    KEITH WOODLEY, FIRE CHIEF

                                    GREG CASE, FIRE DEPARTMENT

                                    SHAWN BRANAUGH, FIRE DEPARTMENT

                                    MARGURITTE HICKMAN, FIRE DEPARTMENT

                                    JIM OLSON, INTERIM PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR

                                    PAULA BROWN, PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT

                                    DON ROBERTSON, PARKS DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR

                                    STEVE GEIS, PARKS DEPARTMENT

                                    RACHEL TIEGE, PARKS DEPARTMENT

                                    BILL MOLNAR, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR

                                    ADAM HANKS, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT

                                    DICK WANDERSCHEID, ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT

                                    TERRY HOLDERNESS, POLICE CHIEF

                                    GAIL ROSENTHAL, POLICE DEPARTMENT

                                    COREY FALLS, POLICE DEPARTMENT

                                    RICHARD APPICELLO, CITY ATTORNEY





Committee member Morrison arrived 6:07 pm


Committee chair, Thompson read into the record an e-mail from absent Committee Member Everson.  Full e-mail has been attached below.






Alternative method to balance the budget (Allen Douma outline)

Committee member Douma gave an overview of his proposal.  Full proposal has been attached to minutes.  Mr. Douma stated he dealt with all groups except for central services.  He suggested perhaps it is time to dip into the contingency funds in order to balance the budget.


Committee member Hartzell arrived 6:12 pm


Mr. Tuneberg was asked for his thoughts on Mr. Douma’s proposal.  He stated he was concerned that restricted funds were not removed from the spreadsheet.  Also, he has concerns about state budget violations which he often has to handle through contingencies.  If we have budget violations we could lose State Revenue Sharing funds.  He gave an overview of the reasons why we maintain the contingency funds.  Ms. Bennett stated her concerns in regard to lack of revenue generation for each fund in this spreadsheet.


Committee had discussion on the Douma proposal, ending fund balance requirements, and how they might reach the proper balance between raising property taxes and expense reductions.  They reviewed the reasons behind the ending fund balance targets.  Mr. Tuneberg clarified how they calculate the ending fund balance for each of the various departments and gave an overview of the necessity of contingency funds.


Committee had a discussion relating to how the Douma proposal might effect the overall budget process.  Also, they discussed whether this would affect the City’s bond rating.  The Committee asked Mr. Tuneberg his opinion of the Douma proposal.  He stated he believes his proposed budget is where the City needs to be and the Douma proposal goes against most good budgeting practices.  Ms. Bennett expressed her concern that the proposal doesn’t accurately reflect the revenue side of the budget, particularly in the General Fund.


Committee asked for and received clarification on the tax rate proposal and where the monies would go if the City levied the entire maximum amount.  Committee decided to not pursue the Douma proposal but appreciate his giving the group some focus on alternate sources of funding.



Add Packages and Service reductions/increases in the General Fund and related property tax increase/decrease

Ms. Bennett handed out copies of all the spreadsheets related to cuts, increases, etc. (spreadsheets have been attached to the minutes) that have been mailed out during the last week.  She gave an overview of the additional Parks Department information that she had previously not included and answered questions from the budget committee related to the handouts.


Mr. Tuneberg gave overview of the utility rate comparison handout (the handout has been attached to the minutes).  He also gave overview of updated salary and benefits numbers and other changes to the budget figures which have occurred since this process was started.


Committee had a discussion about how to processed in order to reach a consensus on the budget.


Heimann/Navickas m/s to take an up/down vote on each of the following cuts; code enforcement officer, fire inspector, one police officer – specifically the detective position, and a .4 reduction in the CERT program.  DISCUSSION: Committee asked for and received clarification on those cuts and what those cuts mean financially.  Committee asked for clarification on whether the committee has the ability to cut a position or if they only have the ability to cut a budget.  Mr. Tuneberg clarified that their authority is only to cut a budget.  Committee discussed the specifics of this motion and if or how the departments could alter their budgets to accommodate without following it to the letter.


Committee had discussion about the motion and whether the motion is to discuss the cuts or to actually approve the cuts.


Committee asked for clarification on the reduction in the CERT program.  They were reminded that cutting the .4 FTE will likely result in zero help to the overall budget because in losing the position they will likely lose the grant funding which covers the salary for that position.


Committee each gave their opinions as to whether or not they would support the cuts as proposed.  Committee determined they were not ready to vote at this time.


Motion withdrawn by Heimann.


Navickas/Hartzell m/s to eliminate funding for the detective position from the police department.

DISCUSSION: Committee agreed they needed more discussion about all of the options before any motions were made.

Motion withdrawn by Navickas/Hartzell.


Chair Thompson suggested the group go down the list submitted by each department and get a sense of a committee’s agreement on items as a whole before making any further motions.  Ms. Bennett suggested they work instead on a discussion of the range of reduction and not focus so much on specific positions for cutting unless they are willing to ask each department head if the choice they made will have the least amount of impact.  Committee discussed how to handle the overall process.


Committee questioned whether they should be starting with discussions about cuts first or discussions regarding property tax increase.  They discussed how the reductions in benefits relate to helping the bottom line and fund by fund.


Committee decided to build a “short list” of cuts they would like to discuss.  Short list as follows:



1) two positions

2) cost of hiring and training

3) medical treatment for reserve officers



1) one position valued at approx. $108,000

2) reduce CERT FTEs by .4  $24,000


Community Development

1) one assistant planner position valued at approx. $75,000

2) housing specialist position valued at approx. $71,000

3) building inspector position valued at approx. $38,000

4) code enforcement specialist position valued at approx. $58,000






1) City Source Newsletter


Mayor and Council



HR and Court



Admin Services

1) one clerk or cashier position (or dollar amount equivalent)





Electric Department

1) $15,000 for Festival of Lights


Public Works

1) confirm TAP removal or delay



Committee had discussions on proposed public works cuts and CIP project delays with regard to how those do or don’t affect the budget end line and the maintenance of the City streets and water lines.  Committee discussed the TAP project and whether or not previous council decisions mean the committee should remove the funding for that project from the budget.  Committee also discussed the CIP prioritization.  Committee had discussion of prioritizing capital versus enterprise funds.


Committee asked for total dollar value if all cuts listed on the “short list” were taken.  The total amount would be $994,000.  Committee asked for just the Community Development portion of that, which is $242,000.  Committee began discussion on which cuts they would be interested in taking and what target ending fund balance they are interested in achieving.


Navickas/Hartzell m/s to maintain the two position funding cuts in the police department.  DISCUSSION: Hartzell asked if this is the process committee would like pursue.  Chair Thompson stated she would rather have a package focus rather than individual smaller cuts.  Committee member Hartzell stated her discomfort in that process is that when they created the “short list” they were promised time to talk about each cut and with a package deal there is no time for discussion.


Hartzell/ m to amend motion to include hiring costs and medical treatment of reserve officers.  No second.  Amendment to motion fails.

DISCUSSION cont’d: Committee member Navickas gave reasons for supporting this motion including the reduction in crime.  Staff confirmed that one of the positions is currently vacant and the detective position is set to retire before the end of the year.  Committee member Chapman would rather only cut one position he feels two positions is too severe a cut.  Committee member Silbiger pointed out that the Police budget has already cut one position and having low crime rate is a good thing—it shows they are doing well.  He reminded the group that we are currently at the staffing levels we had in 2004.  Crime does tend to go up during low economic times and so it would be unwise to reduce staffing levels at this time.  Committee asked the Chief of Police for some clarification as to how he would handle a reduction in staffing levels.


Heimann moved to amend motion to eliminate $137,000 from the Police budget.  DISCUSSION: It was determined this was too great a substantive change and so the amendment was removed from consideration.


Committee member Navickas stated his reasoning for suggesting the original motion was that these are two vacant positions and he would rather cut those than an already occupied position.


Committee member Douma stated that he thought they were supposed to be focusing on funds rather than positions and can not support the motion as stated because of this.

Roll Call Vote: Chapman, Douma, Gregorio, Hardesty, Heimann, Jackson, Morrison, Silbiger, Slattery, Stebbins, Thompson; NO, Hartzell, Navickas, YES.  Motion Fails 11-2.


Hartzell/Heimann m/s to reduce police department budget by $150,000.  DISCUSSION: Committee member Douma asked if by agreeing with this does it mean we can’t come back later and look at more cuts.  The committee agreed that until they approve the overall budget changes can always be discussed and made.


Committee member Morrison stated this motion is closer to the intent that they agreed upon at the beginning.  He is uncomfortable because the committee doesn’t know what the ultimate goal is for the overall budget.  He would like more clarification on the overall process and where the group would like to end up.  Committee member Slattery asked if they could just say the committee wants to cut $500,000 in the overall budget and let staff do it.  Ms. Bennett stated that yes the problem the Mayor was discussing is that we still don’t have a clear sense of what policy objective the committee would like to reach in relation to property taxes, ending fund balance, etc.  She would prefer the budget committee make that decision.  Committee member Hardesty stated this is a good discussion.  She believes the group can live with a certain amount of shortfall in the general fund ending balance but the group needs to talk about how much are would they be comfortable with.  She believes property taxes will need to be raised but the group needs to determine by what amount.


Champan/Jackson m/s to amend motion amount to $120,000.  DISCUSSION: Committee discussed how Committee member Chapman came up with this figure.  Roll Call Vote: Douma, Hardesty, Hartzell, Heimann, Morrison, Navickas, Slattery, Stebbins; NO, Chapman, Gregorio, Jackson, Silbiger, Thompson; YES.  Amendment to Motion fails 8-5.


Committee had discussion on whether they should table the motion until tomorrow in order to start over with a discussion about their end objective.


Chapman/Gregorio m/s to table the motion.  Voice Vote: 11 ayes, 2 no.  Motion passes.


Committee discussed how they will proceed with tomorrow’s agenda.



This meeting adjourned at 10:02 PM.


Respectfully Submitted,



Diana Shiplet

Executive Secretary




E-Mail from Deanne Everson, dated 5/1//08:


>>> "Dee Anne Everson" <> 5/11/2008 7:39 PM >>>

I know I cannot deliberate or participate in the process given my absence

this week and I know this year there has been a flurry of email dialogue.

I’m not engaging in that.  I’d like to submit this email as part of the

record.  I’d like to share a couple of thoughts about the budget as

deliberations begin.  Thank you all for your consideration.




I hope very much there is serious consideration given to the City

Administrator’s original proposal.  I recall from prior year’s deliberations

when the question of other cities in Oregon and how many are at the maximum

allowable tax rates.  I think it might be important to consider this so that

no one is ever unclear that there is no more room.  Everyone would

understand living within the available taxable amount is all that can be

done.  I think the overriding question of can Ashland afford Ashland is

incredibly important.  Ashland voters do not hesitate to approve youth

levies and libraries although hesitate deeply on fire stations and public

services in general.  It would be interesting to know how city residents

think those things are paid for.  I also think CERT is very important and

not entirely in the event of a disaster but in daily practice of building

civic engagement and commitment from citizenry.  Cutting this seems

foolhardy for a small amount of money.  I want to say I have always operated

on the belief that our staffs are professionals who know their work and know

their budgets.  They respond to residents every day with questions about

service and my guess is some days are rather thankless.  I hope, if for some

unfortunate reason, the budget committee chooses to make cuts that those

cuts are up to department heads who know best where to cut.  I am perfectly

willing to admit I do not know how to run a fire department, a police

department, a community development department, etc.  I trust that each of

these individuals entrusted and paid to do so are more than capable.

Ultimately my support would have been behind the City Administrator’s





Thank you.


Dee Anne Everson





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