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Historic Commission Meeting
Agenda
Wednesday, July 02, 2014
Meeting Minutes
July 2, 2014
Community Development/Engineering Services Building Siskiyou Room, 51 Winburn Way
Call to Order: 6:00 p.m.
Historic Commissioners Present: Mr. Skibby, Mr. Swink, Mr. Giordano, Ms. Renwick,
Mr. Shostrom
Commission Members Absent: Mr. Whitford (E), Ms. Law, Ms. KenCairn
Council Liaison: Mike Morris, absent
Staff Present: Staff Liaison: Amy Gunter, Clerk: Regan Trapp
APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Historic Commission regular meeting of June 4, 2014. Mr. Giordano motioned that minutes be approved and Ms. Renwick seconded. Motion passed unanimously.
PUBLIC FORUM: There was no one wishing to speak.
COUNCIL LIAISON REPORT: No council liaison was present to give the report.
PLANNING ACTION REVIEW/PUBLIC HEARING: Mr. Skibby read aloud the requirements for public hearings.
PLANNING ACTION: (CONTINUANCE) 2014-00753
SUBJECT PROPERTY: 469 Allison Street
APPLICANT: Ben Treiger
OWNERS: Kirt VanDerZee and Lene Price
DESCRIPTION: A request for a Conditional Use Permit to expand / enlarge an existing non- conforming residence. The applicant is requesting approval to add approximately 280 square feet at the rear of the residence for the property located at 469 Allison Street. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATION: Low-Density Multi-Family; ZONING: R-2; ASSESSOR’S MAP: 39 1E 09 BD TAX LOT: 8300
Ms. Gunter reported that the previously submitted plans did not reflect the existing residence correctly. She stated that the applicants had submitted revised drawings. Ms. Gunter said the previously submitted elevations, the windows and the rooflines appeared out of scale and there were concerns that the building was not stepping down with the grade. She read the motion from the previous month’s meeting as to what the applicants needed to amend. Mr. Skibby opened the public hearing.
Ben Treiger, of 237 Talent Ave, Talent OR. Mr. Treiger reported that the egress windows have been removed and they switched out the siding to comply with the historic standards. The ridgeline is still stepped up to match the ceiling heights inside. It was suggested by the Commission that the applicants get the larger bevel to match the existing siding. Mr. Treiger stated that the windows on the first floor are the original ones. It was asked how the applicants are strengthening the structure from racking or from any sort of seismic issues and Mr. Treiger responded that it would require a Simpson strong wall with a concrete seal. The stairway is in line with the existing window and the dimension of the window from the stairwell is 36 inches.
Ms. Lene Price, 469 Allison St, Ashland, OR. Ms. Price said that access is crucial from the studio to the backyard because she is an artist and has to have quick access to water. She also said that the new staircase will be bumped closer to the property line because the existing one is steep and dangerous. Mr. Shostrom asked about the deck detailing and Mr. Treiger stated that changing out the deck will be a future project, but no other details were provided
Kirt Van Der Zee, 469 Allison St. Ashland OR. Mr. Van Der Zee explained the detailing on the railing and said it’s about 25 years old. Mr. Giordano asked if the new railing would match the existing one and Mr. Treiger replied that they were unsure of the design. There was much discussion between Mr. Van Der Zee and the Historic Commission on how the roofline should be. Mr. Shostrom found that continuing the ridgeline was consistent with standards because the ridgeline is from the 1988 addition and is not the historic ridgeline.
Colin Swales, 95 Coolidge St, Ashland, OR. Mr. Swales owns the property next door and stated the 1988 addition is really close to his boundary and severely impacts his privacy, being only 3 feet from his property line. Mr. Swales would like to see the addition built in the rear yard. Mr. Shostrom asked about the existing deck and the privacy issue and Mr. Swales said that some trees were planted but said the scale of the design is just too big. Any future developing could not happen if Mr. Van Der Zee and Ms. Price built their addition. Mr. Swales believes there are other options instead of building on a second story addition. Mr. Giordano asked the applicants about the possibility of them adding on in the back and Ms. Price said they would end up with a caboose style addition, not to mention already having lots of water issues in the backyard. Mr. Skibby asked about the stairs being moved into the setback area and Mr. Van Der Zee said that the stairs would go 18 inches into the setback area. Mr. Van Der Zee presented the Commission copies of aerial photos of the property for review. Mr. Skibby closed the public hearing and opened for staff comments.
Mr. Shostrom asked Ms. Gunter about the details of the conditional use permit. Ms. Gunter said that it was looked at as a continuation of a non conforming setback. Ms. Gunter stated that there is nothing in the code that would give them direction in whether to call it a variance or a conditional use permit. Ms. Gunter explained the 1988 variance findings for this address and explained what the findings were at that time. Additionally, the historic district design standards were different at the time. Mr. Skibby asked Ms. Gunter to review the standards for additions in the historic district. Mr. Giordano stated that he is not concerned about the setbacks but is concerned about the design. After much discussion about the rooflines, Mr. Shostrom motioned to continue the original roofline over the new addition at the same level, matching the siding to blend with the front. Ms. Renwick seconded the motion. Motion passed unanimously. Ms. Gunter then explained what the next steps in the planning action process were to the applicants.
OLD BUSINESS: There was no old business to discuss.
NEW ITEMS: Ms. Gunter reported that she has not heard back from Travel Oregon about the
application for the $8000.00 matching funds grant.
DISCUSSION ITEMS: Mr. Shostrom asked about any new demolition permits. He stated that it’s too easy to get a demolition permit and says we need to develop an ordinance. Mr. Giordano stated that there is intrinsic value in keeping these homes from being torn down. Ms. Gunter said that she is looking into getting the demo ordinance rewritten. She will be looking at other cities to see what they do in reference to the demolition process. She stated examples of houses in the area that have not been kept. Mr. Shostrom asked if the Travel Oregon grant would cover looking into changing the demolition ordinance. Ms. Gunter said we could add a demolition layer to the grant.
Ms. Gunter reported that there will be an audit of the City’s CLG program on September 10th by representatives from SHPO at the Carnegie Building in Medford. The training, on Sept 9th regarding the CLG program is for all Historic Commissioners from local areas. Ms. Gunter will keep the Commission informed of the details as the dates get closer.
COMMISSION ITEMS NOT ON AGENDA: Mr. Skibby showed the Commission a picture of the Oak Street Tank and Steel building from the early 1960’s in response to a development proposal earlier this year.
REVIEW BOARD SCHEDULE:
Historic Commissioners Present: Mr. Skibby, Mr. Swink, Mr. Giordano, Ms. Renwick,
Mr. Shostrom
Commission Members Absent: Mr. Whitford (E), Ms. Law, Ms. KenCairn
Council Liaison: Mike Morris, absent
Staff Present: Staff Liaison: Amy Gunter, Clerk: Regan Trapp
APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Historic Commission regular meeting of June 4, 2014. Mr. Giordano motioned that minutes be approved and Ms. Renwick seconded. Motion passed unanimously.
PUBLIC FORUM: There was no one wishing to speak.
COUNCIL LIAISON REPORT: No council liaison was present to give the report.
PLANNING ACTION REVIEW/PUBLIC HEARING: Mr. Skibby read aloud the requirements for public hearings.
PLANNING ACTION: (CONTINUANCE) 2014-00753
SUBJECT PROPERTY: 469 Allison Street
APPLICANT: Ben Treiger
OWNERS: Kirt VanDerZee and Lene Price
DESCRIPTION: A request for a Conditional Use Permit to expand / enlarge an existing non- conforming residence. The applicant is requesting approval to add approximately 280 square feet at the rear of the residence for the property located at 469 Allison Street. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATION: Low-Density Multi-Family; ZONING: R-2; ASSESSOR’S MAP: 39 1E 09 BD TAX LOT: 8300
Ms. Gunter reported that the previously submitted plans did not reflect the existing residence correctly. She stated that the applicants had submitted revised drawings. Ms. Gunter said the previously submitted elevations, the windows and the rooflines appeared out of scale and there were concerns that the building was not stepping down with the grade. She read the motion from the previous month’s meeting as to what the applicants needed to amend. Mr. Skibby opened the public hearing.
Ben Treiger, of 237 Talent Ave, Talent OR. Mr. Treiger reported that the egress windows have been removed and they switched out the siding to comply with the historic standards. The ridgeline is still stepped up to match the ceiling heights inside. It was suggested by the Commission that the applicants get the larger bevel to match the existing siding. Mr. Treiger stated that the windows on the first floor are the original ones. It was asked how the applicants are strengthening the structure from racking or from any sort of seismic issues and Mr. Treiger responded that it would require a Simpson strong wall with a concrete seal. The stairway is in line with the existing window and the dimension of the window from the stairwell is 36 inches.
Ms. Lene Price, 469 Allison St, Ashland, OR. Ms. Price said that access is crucial from the studio to the backyard because she is an artist and has to have quick access to water. She also said that the new staircase will be bumped closer to the property line because the existing one is steep and dangerous. Mr. Shostrom asked about the deck detailing and Mr. Treiger stated that changing out the deck will be a future project, but no other details were provided
Kirt Van Der Zee, 469 Allison St. Ashland OR. Mr. Van Der Zee explained the detailing on the railing and said it’s about 25 years old. Mr. Giordano asked if the new railing would match the existing one and Mr. Treiger replied that they were unsure of the design. There was much discussion between Mr. Van Der Zee and the Historic Commission on how the roofline should be. Mr. Shostrom found that continuing the ridgeline was consistent with standards because the ridgeline is from the 1988 addition and is not the historic ridgeline.
Colin Swales, 95 Coolidge St, Ashland, OR. Mr. Swales owns the property next door and stated the 1988 addition is really close to his boundary and severely impacts his privacy, being only 3 feet from his property line. Mr. Swales would like to see the addition built in the rear yard. Mr. Shostrom asked about the existing deck and the privacy issue and Mr. Swales said that some trees were planted but said the scale of the design is just too big. Any future developing could not happen if Mr. Van Der Zee and Ms. Price built their addition. Mr. Swales believes there are other options instead of building on a second story addition. Mr. Giordano asked the applicants about the possibility of them adding on in the back and Ms. Price said they would end up with a caboose style addition, not to mention already having lots of water issues in the backyard. Mr. Skibby asked about the stairs being moved into the setback area and Mr. Van Der Zee said that the stairs would go 18 inches into the setback area. Mr. Van Der Zee presented the Commission copies of aerial photos of the property for review. Mr. Skibby closed the public hearing and opened for staff comments.
Mr. Shostrom asked Ms. Gunter about the details of the conditional use permit. Ms. Gunter said that it was looked at as a continuation of a non conforming setback. Ms. Gunter stated that there is nothing in the code that would give them direction in whether to call it a variance or a conditional use permit. Ms. Gunter explained the 1988 variance findings for this address and explained what the findings were at that time. Additionally, the historic district design standards were different at the time. Mr. Skibby asked Ms. Gunter to review the standards for additions in the historic district. Mr. Giordano stated that he is not concerned about the setbacks but is concerned about the design. After much discussion about the rooflines, Mr. Shostrom motioned to continue the original roofline over the new addition at the same level, matching the siding to blend with the front. Ms. Renwick seconded the motion. Motion passed unanimously. Ms. Gunter then explained what the next steps in the planning action process were to the applicants.
OLD BUSINESS: There was no old business to discuss.
NEW ITEMS: Ms. Gunter reported that she has not heard back from Travel Oregon about the
application for the $8000.00 matching funds grant.
DISCUSSION ITEMS: Mr. Shostrom asked about any new demolition permits. He stated that it’s too easy to get a demolition permit and says we need to develop an ordinance. Mr. Giordano stated that there is intrinsic value in keeping these homes from being torn down. Ms. Gunter said that she is looking into getting the demo ordinance rewritten. She will be looking at other cities to see what they do in reference to the demolition process. She stated examples of houses in the area that have not been kept. Mr. Shostrom asked if the Travel Oregon grant would cover looking into changing the demolition ordinance. Ms. Gunter said we could add a demolition layer to the grant.
Ms. Gunter reported that there will be an audit of the City’s CLG program on September 10th by representatives from SHPO at the Carnegie Building in Medford. The training, on Sept 9th regarding the CLG program is for all Historic Commissioners from local areas. Ms. Gunter will keep the Commission informed of the details as the dates get closer.
COMMISSION ITEMS NOT ON AGENDA: Mr. Skibby showed the Commission a picture of the Oak Street Tank and Steel building from the early 1960’s in response to a development proposal earlier this year.
REVIEW BOARD SCHEDULE:
| July 3rd | Allison, Tom, Sam |
| July 10th | Keith, Dale |
| July 17th | Allison, Kerry |
| July 24th | Terry, Sam |
| July 31st | Terry, Tom, Victoria |
| Aug 7th | Keith, Allison |
PROJECT ASSIGNMENTS FOR PLANNING ACTIONS:
PLANNING ACTION: PA-2014-00725
SUBJECT PROPERTY: 121 Manzanita
COMMISSION MEMBER ASSIGNED: Mr. Whitford
PLANNING ACTION: PA-2014-00753
SUBJECT PROPERTY: 469 Allison
COMMISSION MEMBER ASSIGNED: Mr. Swink
ANNOUNCEMENTS & INFORMATIONAL ITEMS:
Next meeting is scheduled for August 6, 2014, 6:00 pm.
There being no other items to discuss, the meeting adjourned at 7:15 pm.
Respectfully submitted by Regan Trapp
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