Woodley wondered if the community still supported AFRCAT's position. He thought Joan Resnick could help gather additional public input. Mayor Morrison thought the meeting was very productive and that Woodley fostered a feeling of solidarity. Borgias added that the Forest Service said the DEIS was wrong about the likely adverse effects on owl habitat. Betlejewski agreed with Vaile's previous comments that more field validation of remote sensing data was needed regarding owl habitat.

Commission reiterated the importance of a planning and implementation plan. Borgias said the Forest Service's planning and implementation plan would be written after the FEIS is published.

Resnick thought a parallel technical and public process could be implemented during this two month window. The public process, although not yet defined, would most likely include education and could consist of outreach on issues that citizen's value (eg. monitoring and inventory) and their desired outcome for the watershed. Brock thought the owl habitat issue needed extra education and that, once the terms were defined, the technical issues should be minor. Woodley noted a need for clarification on what treatment would be done in the roadless area. He said public input might include a community assessment of the City's position. He said hiring consultants to help gather public input was one option. Woodley thought public input had to consist of active outreach and include more than public meetings. He suggested identifying the range of community issues and incorporating them into the City's and Forest Service's management concerns. Chris Chambers thought public input was premature until after the FEIS was published and before actual implementation. Resnick aimed to increase the level of involvement with neighbors in the interface zone. Hartzell cautioned the commission not to overextend themselves. Brock believed the goal of public input at this time would be capacity building and increasing the visibility for community stewardship as well as involvement in implementation and monitoring. He recommended educational forums.

Borgias will confirm the date of the next AFRCAT meeting with representatives of the Forest Service and Department of Fish and Wildlife regarding owl habitat. He volunteered to meet with Cindy Deacon-Williams, Headwaters, regarding treatment issues in the riparian area and Marty Main regarding mapping the treatment areas. After those meetings a schedule of additional AFRCAT meeting(s) if needed would be made. Commission agreed.

Hartzell asked Slocum to redistribute draft 2005 Commission goals. She also suggested scheduling a working session with Linda Duffy on October 12th. The Commission made no decision on this suggestion.

Hartzell asked Resnick to broker a draft public participation process with Kevin Preister, Social Ecology Associates.